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calisk galern
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Posted - 2013.06.03 13:50:00 -
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try it, no seriously.
try to snipe imperfects, have fun with it.
also you forget to mention that the charged rifle is only 2k lol, so i'm guessing you're talking about the 98k kaalkioota, you cannot be talking about the absoloute trash rifle the isshuukone, I didn't think that proto ar rifles we're 120k each. |
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Posted - 2013.06.03 13:53:00 -
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Commander Tuna wrote:LOL @ prototype sniper costing 2,400 isk.
ya it's funny I have about 5000 already for when this thread started to appear, and if it never changes I can go through charged rifles pretty quickly so meh. |
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Posted - 2013.06.03 13:57:00 -
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Kitten Empress wrote:calisk galern wrote:try it, no seriously.
try to snipe imperfects, have fun with it.
also you forget to mention that the charged rifle is only 2k lol, so i'm guessing you're talking about the 98k kaalkioota, you cannot be talking about the absoloute trash rifle the isshuukone, I didn't think that proto ar rifles we're 120k each. Calling this rifle trash makes you trash. I saw people own entire matches using it. Seriously, my team mates couldn't bring out their heads until I finally took a LAV and run the person over.
congrats you suck then.
I can scrub wipe milti gear all day long with a militia rifle, don't really care or take that into consideration about balancing a gun.
isshukoone is a 3-4 shot kill on heavies and has the slowest rate of fire save the charged rifle which will usually 1-2 shot which in turn makes it faster.
isshu fires slow enough that it's less ideal of a coutner sniping weapon.
isshu has reduced zoom of the kaal
isshu is beat out in each category but they two other weapons and in no way is a valid sniper rifle. If you say it should be used for head shots then again the charged rifle is superior if you head shot.
it's a trash rifle and if you are killed by it, then you could of been killed by both of it's superiors just as easily.
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calisk galern
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Posted - 2013.06.03 13:58:00 -
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stlcarlos989 wrote:calisk galern wrote:try it, no seriously.
try to snipe imperfects, have fun with it.
also you forget to mention that the charged rifle is only 2k lol, so i'm guessing you're talking about the 98k kaalkioota, you cannot be talking about the absoloute trash rifle the isshuukone, I didn't think that proto ar rifles we're 120k each. Yea the charge is just stupid but the most expensive sniper I see in the market place is 47k
hmmmm haven't checked the prices in awhile, you might be right. |
calisk galern
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Posted - 2013.06.03 14:24:00 -
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stlcarlos989 wrote:Khal V'Rani wrote:Another sniper hate thread... Though I'll give you creativity points for trying to couch it in
terms of the gear as opposed to tactics. I don't hate snipers, I've played with awesome snipers who shut down objectives and call out enemy positions. My only problem with them is that there is little risk to being a sniper because they are so cheap compared to other infantry weapons.
how much is your fit because my sniper full fit with a kaal is 130k each(( assuming the 47k comments are right )). charged fit is obviously cheaper at 90k
two deathes and I'm making no profits. risk is involved just as much as anyone else.
logi versions can use full proto mods, they easily run up to 160-170k per fit. |
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Posted - 2013.06.03 14:30:00 -
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Kitten Empress wrote:Snipers ARE in less risk.
The point of snipers is staying far away from the enemy, limiting risk and increasing the fear of the enemy.
Hence the gear should be more expensive to compensate for ISK vs Reward
grab a gun and come get me then >.>.
if you don't try to kill me that's not the same as less risk.
trust me, when I face good corps I lose 5-6 suits a match, they send lav's at me, they bring counter snipers, they do what ever is needed to kill my ass. they get the job done. |
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Posted - 2013.06.03 14:39:00 -
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Kitten Empress wrote:calisk galern wrote:Kitten Empress wrote:Snipers ARE in less risk.
The point of snipers is staying far away from the enemy, limiting risk and increasing the fear of the enemy.
Hence the gear should be more expensive to compensate for ISK vs Reward grab a gun and come get me then >.>. if you don't try to kill me that's not the same as less risk. So being in the middle of the battlefield where everyone can see you, there may be traps, ambushes, tanks, general combat = sitting on a hill, moving a dot on a screen, pushing R1 and getting a kill?
I could say the same thing about a group of 6 players traveling in a pack with modded controllers and logi support.
where's the risk of pub stomping in proto gear?
anyone who tries to kill snipers do, even militia ar users can do it, what can they do agaisnt the pub stompers? why isn't their gear 500k isk a fit? |
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Posted - 2013.06.03 14:45:00 -
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SuperKing BigNuts wrote:calisk galern wrote:stlcarlos989 wrote:Khal V'Rani wrote:Another sniper hate thread... Though I'll give you creativity points for trying to couch it in
terms of the gear as opposed to tactics. I don't hate snipers, I've played with awesome snipers who shut down objectives and call out enemy positions. My only problem with them is that there is little risk to being a sniper because they are so cheap compared to other infantry weapons. how much is your fit because my sniper full fit with a kaal is 130k each(( assuming the 47k comments are right )). charged fit is obviously cheaper at 90k two deathes and I'm making no profits. risk is involved just as much as anyone else. logi versions can use full proto mods, they easily run up to 160-170k per fit. i dont know which logi suit you run that can fit full proto loadouts... but yes they do get costly running proto suits, i think his complaint is he gets stomped running a proto suit while he distracts the enemy team from the blueberries hiding in the hills. though admittedly i never ran an assault suit worth more than my sniper fits. because i knew the expected life expectancy of my logi assault loadouts were considerably lower than my sniper fits. which comes to the point of playing within your means and using the gear system to suit your play style. i am terrible at FPS, which is why i rely on logistics points and sniper rifles, because they help overcome my second rate infantry skills.
well I honestly don't mind a price increase to sniper fits, I just think people saying sniping is a no risk role is annoying.
using pub stomping AR users as the base line for a cost increase is even more stupid.
trust me nothing pisses me off more then having 14 garbage blue dot snipers on my team, if a sniper gets less then 15 kills in a skirmish or domination match they shouldn't be bringing their sniper rifles to the match.
a sniper needs to close reinforcement lanes, they need to kill the defenders on points, weaken heavies, kill hackers,save blue dots that are losing their gun fights, and remove infantry that are on elevated positions. if you are hiding in the hills and can't do these things then GTFO and find a different spot or stop sniping. |
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Posted - 2013.06.03 14:59:00 -
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GoD-NoVa wrote:stlcarlos989 wrote:1.) Snipers have the HIGHEST survivability of any infantry
2.) They can snipe from the behind the redline and the MCC
3.) The only counter to a good sniper is another sniper
4.) Prototype sniper rifle is 30k cheaper than prototype ARs
I'm tired of seeing 4, 5, even 6 guys on my team way in the mountains or MCC sniping. come join NF and you will never have to worry about snipers again
imperfects are the hardest guys to snipe in the game, they seem to have some form of constantly wobbly rotation going on with their joy stick, it's like they play with a vibrator attached to the control stick. ya you heard me. |
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Posted - 2013.06.03 15:01:00 -
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Kitten Empress wrote:calisk galern wrote:Kitten Empress wrote:calisk galern wrote:Kitten Empress wrote:Snipers ARE in less risk.
The point of snipers is staying far away from the enemy, limiting risk and increasing the fear of the enemy.
Hence the gear should be more expensive to compensate for ISK vs Reward grab a gun and come get me then >.>. if you don't try to kill me that's not the same as less risk. So being in the middle of the battlefield where everyone can see you, there may be traps, ambushes, tanks, general combat = sitting on a hill, moving a dot on a screen, pushing R1 and getting a kill? I could say the same thing about a group of 6 players traveling in a pack with modded controllers and logi support. where's the risk of pub stomping in proto gear? anyone who tries to kill snipers do, even militia ar users can do it, what can they do agaisnt the pub stompers? why isn't their gear 500k isk a fit? Hmm, so you use gear we already know is broken, and an illegal item to use in this game to prove your point? Good one.
once the ar is fixed they will pub stomp without the controllers using scrambler rifles, it doesn't matter what it is they will move in packs and crush everyone they see with little to no risk.
shouldn't that cost more because they have less risk?
if the potential risk is the only deciding factor involved on what to price an item should be, then the low risk of pack hunting should warrent the cost increase of AR's and SR.
Let's be clear btw most snipers I see die more then 6-8 times in a match against me, so there can be plenty of risk to snipers, I also ground snipe quite frequently and follow my squad like everyone else does. we aren't talking about actual risk, we are talking about potential risk, via a single tactic used by weaker snipers, I snipe from where is most beneficial, red lining is just an option for that purpose.
so if snipers are to be punished with a cost increased based on a single potential tactic, then what of pack hunting? |
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calisk galern
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Posted - 2013.06.03 15:08:00 -
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Kitten Empress wrote:SuperKing BigNuts wrote:
i think his point was that people running in proto-pack squads should pay more for their suits, and i assume hes making the assumption that they are also using modded controllers while they do it.
Proto pack requires you to have friends playing with you, coordinating. Bringing friends SHOULD multiply your power. Sniping is sitting alone on a hill, moving the crosshair and shooting, doing enough damage to kill anything that isn't a heavy in 1-2 shots.
I team snipe what of it?
I fight in a team multiply my power as well ayda yad yada.
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calisk galern
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Posted - 2013.06.03 15:21:00 -
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Kitten Empress wrote:calisk galern wrote:Kitten Empress wrote:SuperKing BigNuts wrote:
i think his point was that people running in proto-pack squads should pay more for their suits, and i assume hes making the assumption that they are also using modded controllers while they do it.
Proto pack requires you to have friends playing with you, coordinating. Bringing friends SHOULD multiply your power. Sniping is sitting alone on a hill, moving the crosshair and shooting, doing enough damage to kill anything that isn't a heavy in 1-2 shots. I team snipe what of it? I fight in a team multiply my power as well yada yada yada. we don't have to fight alone, and the fact that pack hunting requires friends and sniping doesn't changes little we are talking about nerfing a weapon based on a tactic aren't we. the specifics of the two tactics matter little in regards to the risk involed. The point was safety. Pack hunting makes it safer for an individual, at a greater risk of ISK. Sniping is already safe, no matter if you have one or 1000 people with you. Your entire argument is invalid.
no your point is sniping can be safe, if you sit in the hills yes it can be safe, if you snipe about 3 meters behind your AR buddies to help themm win long range engagements, it isn't as safe. if you are facing a good sniper on the other team it isn't safe, if someone has a hard on for rushing you with lav's it isn't safe.
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Posted - 2013.06.03 16:26:00 -
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Kitten Empress wrote:
Putting your sniper 3m away from the enemy is called stupidity.
If the person using it has half a brain, he would know how to use it for its intended usage, and that is sniping from a hill being extremely safe.
heh, don't feel too bad a lot of people think like you do. some people just can't take sniping past that point. |
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